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Session Start: Thu Mar 19 21:40:01 1998
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<Fellini> heya!!!!!!
<Fellini> wow
<_killer> Hello!!
<Fellini> :)
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<_killer> Listen, I have bad news and good news.  Which would you like to hear?
<Fellini> what?
<Fellini> both :)
<_killer> The good news is I have the entire series on tape, including the movie.
<_killer> Bad news is, I just got home...  and didn't see tonights feature yet.
<_killer> But I made it here!!
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<Fellini> ahhhh
<_killer> Anyway.  Kurt?
<Fellini> no problem!! :)
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<_killer> LOL
<_killer> Thanx buddy.
<Fellini> is sask an hour behind?
<Fellini> are you on irc often?
<_killer> I'm in Winnipeg.  It's 9:30 here.
<Fellini> i know that! ... but someone from sask is coming as well
<_killer> Right...   got it now.
<Fellini> cooll...
<Fellini> with that in mind...did you see "Victims"?
<_killer> YES!!!
<Fellini> (we can rehash the other ones :)
<_killer> OH man was that incredible.
<Fellini> some people were actually OFFENDED by that ... although, i guess i can see why
<Fellini> but...if they're offended, they obviously just don't "get it"
<Fellini> right?
<_killer> I agree.
<_killer> Very risky stuff, but thing is...  it's sooooo true.
<_killer> I heard about an article in the free press about "titanic" fashions.
<Fellini> yeah...the corset's back in style and what not 
<Fellini> cuz of that, admittedly unrealistic take on reality :)
<_killer> Yeah!
<Fellini> sure, i mean, fine, as far as the "sinking" is concerned...fine, historically accurate
<_killer> There's been so many "aids" benefit fashion shows too.
<Fellini> but the characters?  i mean, Leo and Rose shoulda drowned in the lower deck about an hour 45 into the movie, realistically
<Fellini> good music tho'...i have the soundtrack
<Fellini> yeah, i get that as well...
<Fellini> i think it's more of a completely absurd way of representing something that DOES happen in the media
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<Fellini> the glorification of victims, turning them into celebrities
<_killer> Yes!  I think you just pegged it.
<Fellini> basically, it's an exaggeration of reality
<_killer> That's the aesthetic for the comedy in more tears...
<_killer> And finkleman exposes the whole process doesn't he.
<_killer> The workings of the media, as you said.
<Fellini> true...or the "satire"...i laugh occasionally, but it's really more of a "head shaking" at some of the opportunistic techniques that he satirizes
<Fellini> basically...i just watched the fashion show...almost in awe...he pulls of the "Fashion File" style perfectly
<_killer> Loved the atom egoyan cameo!!!
<_killer> did you catch that?
<Fellini> another thing...the fashion show is one of the most phony public displays...it's really only for the cameras...you never see people a) that skinny, b) wearing clothes like that
<Fellini> yeah, i saw it in the credits, and i rewatched it yesterday
<Fellini> btw : have you seen Fellini's "8 1/2"
<Fellini> ?
<_killer> Unfortunately, I have not.  
* _killer lowers his head in pseudo-shame
<_killer> I do get that Fellini influence...  when it's really visible.
<Fellini> hehehe...rent it BEFORE you watch the finale...it will help a lot
<_killer> But I'm sure it runs much deeper.
<_killer> Okay...  thanks.
<Fellini> have you seen any of Fellini's films?
<Fellini> Dolce, i guess, cuz you know about his style
<Fellini> :)
<_killer> Actually, I've only seen bits of his films.  Haven't gotten to him yet.
<_killer> But hey, having seen "meltdown" helps  :@)
<Fellini> ahhh...there's a Fellini-Sampler tape :) 
<Fellini> hehehe
<Fellini> oh oh, do you have Meltdown III on tape??
<Fellini> it's the only one that i'm missing
<Fellini> :(
<_killer> Yes.  I'm sure I do.
<_killer> I've got a bunch of newsroom tapes from my Father right now...  should be there.
<_killer> My dad's a fan too.
<Fellini> and...i don't want to spend $40 + on the collection set, in exchange for one episode and a few added "fuck"'s :)
<_killer> Makes good sense.  I'm sure Newsroom with be on again sometime anyway.
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<_killer> do you get that sense?
<Fellini> Some PBS affiliates supposedly bought it...but haven't seen it in Wpg
<Fellini> yeah, maybe over the summer
<Fellini> i've heard that the PBS ones are uncensored as well...
<_killer> Hope so.  I'll keep an eye out for it.
<Fellini> they've shipped it out to austrailia too
<Fellini> although...personally, i think that a lot of the show is too "Canadian - oriented" to export, some refs would prbly be lost
<Fellini> kinda like watching "Behind the Frontline" here :)
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<_killer> brb...
<Fellini> np
<_killer> Gotta put on a one of those newsroom tapes for my roommate and his buddy.
<_killer> I've converted them both!!
<_killer> brb
<Fellini> ahh...they were "Larry Sanders ripoff!!!" before? 
<Fellini> bak?
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<Fellini> MIB!!! Did you see it?
<Fellini> no spoilers tho
<EVIL-M|B> see what?
<_killer> I'm back.
<Fellini> More Tears
<Fellini> heya!
<Fellini> wb!
<_killer> Welcome Mib
<_killer> or MB
<EVIL-M|B> no I didn't, I watched brave new world
<EVIL-M|B> it's M|B
<Fellini> killer : Mib is a friend from #winnipeg...hehe , he's stalking me :)
<Fellini> ahhh..
<Fellini> was it any good?
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<_killer> got it...  M|B
<EVIL-M|B> Fellini: no, I just have you on my notify list
<EVIL-M|B> yeah, it was good
<Fellini> or was it dumbed down?
<EVIL-M|B> dumbed down?
<_killer> Actually guys...  I have to make a quick call...   I'll be back in 5 minutes!
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<_killer> sorry.
<EVIL-M|B> k
<Fellini> np!
<EVIL-M|B> c ya
<Fellini> later...
<_killer> BRB
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<Fellini> like...a lot stupider than the book?
<EVIL-M|B> I don't know, I've never read the book
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<Fellini> heya
<EVIL-M|B> hey
<Fellini> craaaaash
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<Fellini> if it happens again...let killer know that i'll be back as soon as i reboot
<Fellini> if he comes back
<EVIL-M|B> I gotta go
<EVIL-M|B> I'll talk to you tommorrow I guess
<EVIL-M|B> c ya
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<Fellini> okers
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<_killer> Oh man...  sorry buddy?
<Fellini> heya
<Fellini> no problemo
<Fellini> it's been quiet :)
<_killer> Had some female troubles tonight.
<Fellini> ewwwww
<Fellini> want to talk?
<_killer> Yeah...  these aren't too serious though
<_killer> My life is just an episode of Seinfeld.
<Fellini> oh :)  what happened?
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<_killer> This girl I was really groovin' on let me know she was going back to her ex-boyfriend.
* Fellini likes that show too...dunno why, it doesn't really fit in with any of my other viewing habits
<Fellini> ahhhh...poor guy
<_killer> The ex-boyfriend she was...  "competely finished with"...   lol
<_killer> And the kicker is, I slammed the brakes on another budding romance just a week ago.
<Fellini> he didn't take her back? :)
<_killer> Cause the signs were right.
<Fellini> wow...Match-breaker, match-breaker fuck up a match...:)
<_killer> I think he wanted her back, and she took him.
<_killer> Yeah man, it's hilarious!!!!  But darn it all anyway.
<Fellini> hehehe
<_killer> And what really bites, what really sucks in all this...
<Fellini> what?
<_killer> The 'drive a stake through killer's heart' aspect...
<_killer> is the fact that I was watching "Men in Tights"...  with this 'great new gal'...
<_killer> instead of watching More Tears tonight.
<_killer> DAMMMMMMM
<_killer> Oh the horror the horror!
<Fellini> nooooooooooooooooooooooo :(
<_killer> Yup.
<Fellini> the horror...hehe...you've read "Heart of Darkness" as well?
<_killer> Yeah.  Loved Heart of Darkness.
<Fellini> you don't think she'd get it?
<Fellini> MT i mean
<Fellini> i didn't like it at first...thought it was too descriptive...not enough action (which, coincidentally is what someone on #quebec told me about MT) :)
<_killer> She got it.  But had been so keen on showing me Men in Tights, I decided to be nice about it.
<_killer> She was the one who wanted to watch M in Tights
<_killer> I guess it's a good thing we ended it after that.  LOL
<Fellini> but...went over it in Eng. class...and it really opened up Conrad's ideas...i've alluded to that book in my last 3 pieces :P
<Fellini> including one about the anonymity of the Internet..."humanity w/o restraint"
<_killer> ...  Heart of Darkness is cool.  I took it in a Religion class actually.
<_killer> That too opened it up.
<Fellini> oh, well, my eng. teacher is obsessed with theology
<_killer> Are you a student right now?
<Fellini> so...how was men in tights? i saw it about 3 yrs ago...didn't mind it ...cuz i wasn't jaded yet :P
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<Fellini> yup...starting Bus. Computing @ u of w in the fall
<_killer> I was enjoying...  a bit.  Was finding it really cheap though, and some of the bad jokes were annoying me...
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<_killer> And slowly I realized...  I wasn't watching Ken Finkleman.  Made it worse.
<Fellini> hehehe...*lol*
<Fellini> so you started watching it? :) 
<_killer> I got her off the movie and we started watching More Tears.
<_killer> But then as I realized we'd missed the first 20 minutes of it...  we were missing a lot of the show.
<Fellini> hehehe...yeah...watching SOME of it ruins it
<_killer> I wanted the whole experience from start to finish right?>
<Fellini> yup :)  it WAS an experience
<_killer> So then I decided to make 'the move'.
<Fellini> there's some great scenes...some are Fellini-inspired....but others were pure KF
<_killer> And I pulled the old "it's hard watching Tv when you're so distracting' line!!
<Fellini> hehehe...gettin' fresh kris?
<_killer> (can't wait for more Kf stuff!)
<_killer> Oh yeah, got nice and fresh and bright on her.
<_killer> Just to test the strange vibe I was getting, mostly.
<_killer> I was confused as to why she wasn't quite responding the same to the flirting we always did.
<Fellini> did you happen to pull the line during a scene where they were discussing the b/s of romantic love? :) 
<_killer> No, it was during the casting scenes.
<Fellini> the guy they got to play KF was brutal though 
<Fellini> :(
<_killer> Too bad.
<Fellini> cept once where he impersonated his "leaning over" to a tee :)
<_killer> Right on.  That's going to be so much fun.
<_killer> Do you read John Allemag's column on Television in the Globe and Mail?...  this is something I wanted to tell you about.
<Fellini> i haven't looked @ it on the web in a while
<Fellini> what did he have to say?
<_killer> Last Friday, Mr. John Allemag absoluted trashed Ken Finkleman and "More Tears".
<_killer> It was brutal.
<Fellini> evil!!!!
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<_killer> He said that Canadians were tired of Ken Finkleman's self absorbed soapbox.  
* Fellini beats up John Allemagne and makes him walk the "Victims" fashion show :)
<Fellini> a nice tight gag too :P
<_killer> I couldn't believe it myself.  He will pay.
<_killer> Yeah!
<Fellini> well...i would say that his CHARACTER is self absorbed
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<Fellini> and to a certain extent...MT is a self indulgent work
<_killer> Exactly...  I think that's one of its strengths.
<Fellini> but...
<_killer> It's sometimes much better television when it's one vision we get to see...
<_killer> very thoroughly...
<Fellini> right...
<_killer> rather than watered down corporate built stuff...
<_killer> This show is a product of Ken, rather than a product of an industry.
<_killer> do you get what I mean?
<_killer> sorry...
<_killer> I cut you off there, continue.
<Fellini> right...full creative control
<Fellini> it's original...it's not like anything that i've ever seen on tv
<_killer> Yes.
<Fellini> and i think only KF understands what it truly means
<_killer> Very likely.  
<_killer> Are you familiar with the playwright George F. Walker?
<Fellini> in the sense that he's KF's story consultant
<Fellini> i'm not familiar with his work
<_killer> He's written some good plays, and he's important on the Canadian theatre scene.
<_killer> It's cool that he and Ken sat around, drank wine, and wrote the stories together.
<Fellini> where did you learn that?
<_killer> Someone from Toronto, on the scrnwrit list.  Can't remember her name.
<Fellini> ahhhh
<_killer> anyway.
<_killer> We should hook up some time for a beverage!
<Fellini> how did MT come up on there...i've long since unsubscribed...it got to the pt where i got 50 msgs a day, and hadn't had anything worth keeping for 2 wks +
<Fellini> yes...that would be fun!
<Fellini> my writings kinda died lately though :(
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<_killer> (for scrnwrit, it was a newsroom post she was responding to :@)
<Fellini> but...well i wouldn't mind...grapes or somethign
<Fellini> one of these days...
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<_killer> Sure, we could do grapes on main.  Whenever.
<Fellini> my personal worry, is that MT has been such an original ideas,concepts, that it ends up OVERLY influencing my writing
<Fellini> and then we have another clone :(
<Fellini> know what i mean?
<_killer> I think so.  It's not wise to mimic anything to closely...
<_killer> but any writing is good practice, regardless.
<_killer> And it's a more exciting model to work with too.
<Fellini> like KF uses Fellini
<_killer> TOUCHE!  lol
<Fellini> well...i wrote KF a letter directly about 10 mnths ago...but i either may have mistransposed the postal code, or he just doesn't care (wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter!) ... asked some questions about where he derives his inspiration etc
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<_killer> I doubt he would be into responding...  but what the hell.
<_killer> He probably didn't get it.
<Fellini> yeah...i think i put N5W, instead of M5W
<Fellini> and i confirmed it too..argh
<Fellini> Jennifer probably woulda run something off tho'
<Fellini> (his assistant...now associate producer)
<_killer> Right, how did you make that connection anyway?
<Fellini> er, she answers the emails
<_killer> okay.
<Fellini> she would have come for an irc chat if it wasn't for her schedule though about the newsroom
<Fellini> i'm glad she didn't though...no one showed up :(
<_killer> Wow!  she rsvp'd!  Nice.
<_killer> The spirit of this was great though Kurt!
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<Fellini> hehe :) 
<_killer> And you can be sure that she mentioned that our little IRC event happened to Ken!  Totally.
<Fellini> thanks...the other person musta popped in while i crashed
<Fellini> actually, this was last year
<Fellini> i didn't ask her about this one...
<Fellini> cuz i really hadn't been able to get more than 1 or 2 ppl that had seen the show
<Fellini> ever :(
<_killer> There just aren't as many of the cool canadians on the list, as there were a while back.
<_killer> We had a great IRC gang for a while.
<Fellini> ahhh
<Fellini> yeah...i don't knwo if i should have signed off
<_killer> Yup.  Miss those days.  Oh well.
<Fellini> but there was a lot of garbage on there :(
<_killer> That's why I did to.  I'm still on Scribelink though.
<Fellini> ahh...what's the subscribe address?
<Fellini> how many msgs do you get/day?
<_killer> Can't remember.  I get maybe 25 in a day, and there's no garbage at all.
<_killer> Much easier to cope with.
<_killer> Well mate, I'm starting to fade...
<Fellini> ah...great
<Fellini> well...thanx for coming
<Fellini> email me somethime! :)
<Fellini> i'll tell jennifer we talked :)
<_killer> Thanks for sparking it.  And I'll email you soon.
<_killer> For sure!
<Fellini> later Kristjan! :)
<_killer> Tell her I think John Allemag is a pedophile posing as a critic.
<_killer> he he eh.
<Fellini> hehehe ... that would kill my prof. repour
<Fellini> Ken might like it tho' :)
<_killer> I think so :@)
<Fellini> he looks like a dick...i can't find his article tho'...i can find an old one that's not as bashing...but not that complimentary
<_killer> This guy also panned Mike Bullard!!!!!!!!  What a loser.
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<_killer> loser of a critic.
<Fellini> my mom likes him
<Fellini> :)
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<Fellini> oh...Found it
<Fellini> Evidently Ken Finkleman hasn't bashed his viewers over the head quite hard enough yet. 
<Fellini> :)
<Fellini> well...i dunno...it's not the most subtle 
<Fellini> :)
<_killer> I found the Friday article.
<_killer> Yeah, that's the one!
<Fellini> i found it as well...hmmmm
<Fellini> Hey...i like it :)
<Fellini> he's way too savage :(
<_killer> He's just outright vicious.  Very petty even.
<Fellini> right...and he insults the fans as well...that's just awful
<Fellini> maybe it is self-indulgent...but how is that our fault?
<_killer> It's so rare that we get something "good" on television, it's totally something he should be celebrating!
<_killer> Just like John Haslett-Cuff did.
<Fellini> :)  right
<_killer> But no.  This guy's a pedophile posing as a critic.
<_killer> And on that note...  I must be off.
<Fellini> well...Allmagne has given MT a semi - average review
<Fellini> in the first article
<Fellini> later!!!
<_killer> Take care man!  Talk to you soon.
<_killer> bye :@)
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